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Showing posts with label Native American DNA. Show all posts
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13 March 2023
21 May 2016
DO YOU BELIEVE YOU'RE CHEROKEE? WHY SO? DNA?
SLATE : WHY DO SO MANY AMERICANS BELIEVE THEY HAVE CHEROKEE ANCESTRY? The history of a myth by Gregory D. Smithers
An excellent article about the history of the Cherokee and the history of the United States. READ IT ALL!
I did an extensive genealogy project for a family that lived in Cherokee County and can say, without DNA testing, that there was intermarriage between some of the family and the local tribe, before and after the Trail of Tears, but I don't know that anyone who didn't go to live with the tribe has bothered with DNA testing. One of the "White" family married a man on the rolls. However, another couple married and had land in the area prior to the first missionary church...and do not appear on the rolls.
EXCERPT:
The Cherokee tradition of exogamous marriage, or marrying outside of one’s clan, evolved during the 17th and 18th centuries as Cherokees encountered Europeans on a more frequent basis. Some sought to solidify alliances with Europeans through intermarriage.
An excellent article about the history of the Cherokee and the history of the United States. READ IT ALL!
I did an extensive genealogy project for a family that lived in Cherokee County and can say, without DNA testing, that there was intermarriage between some of the family and the local tribe, before and after the Trail of Tears, but I don't know that anyone who didn't go to live with the tribe has bothered with DNA testing. One of the "White" family married a man on the rolls. However, another couple married and had land in the area prior to the first missionary church...and do not appear on the rolls.
EXCERPT:
The Cherokee tradition of exogamous marriage, or marrying outside of one’s clan, evolved during the 17th and 18th centuries as Cherokees encountered Europeans on a more frequent basis. Some sought to solidify alliances with Europeans through intermarriage.
It is impossible to know the exact number of Cherokees who married Europeans during this period. But we know that Cherokees viewed intermarriage as both a diplomatic tool and as a means of incorporating Europeans into the reciprocal bonds of kinship. Eighteenth-century British traders often sought out Cherokee wives. For the trader, the marriage opened up new markets, with his Cherokee wife providing both companionship and entry access to items such as the deerskins coveted by Europeans. For Cherokees, intermarriage made it possible to secure reliable flows of European goods, such as metal and iron tools, guns, and clothing. The frequency with which the British reported interracial marriages among the Cherokees testifies to the sexual autonomy and political influence that Cherokee women enjoyed. It also gave rise to a mixed-race Cherokee population that appears to have been far larger than the racially mixed populations of neighboring tribes...
09 November 2013
GAVIN MENZIES : WHO DISCOVERED AMERICA? ANCESTRY WORSHIP BOOK REVIEW: DNA EVIDENCE OF NATIVE AMERICAN ASIAN ANCESTRY
GAVIN MENZIES - OFFICIAL SITE WITH LINKS TO ALL HIS WORKS
Gavin Menzies has written previous books, including the bestselling "1421 - How the Chinese discovered America." He's considered controversial because of his theories - which he has enhanced with world travel and meeting with experts in many fields - importantly finding pre 1492 maps. He currently bucks against academia and established theories of science. For instance he is opposed to the Bering Straight - land bridge theory of how Native American people crossed into the Americas and is in favor of sea travel. (Sea travel by the way figures in many tribal stories of how they got here. I recall in one of my anthropology classes the Native American students got angry with the professor and marched out!)
Reading his "Who Discovered America" closely, there are a few assertions that I disagree with, but since DNA science is an essential part of proofing his theories that people were either shipwrecked or traveled the natural currents of the oceans to travel around the continents, I'm intrigued and open minded.
Page 245 ..."The currents in the North Pacific flow in a great lip, carrying boats north from China, past Japan, then swinging east past the Aleutian and Kuril Islands to Alaska, then south along the American coast to Central America. So sea travelers from Asia to North and Central America have a free ride and food along the way and can sail so they are only out of sight of land for three days. This great clockwise, nearly rectangular, flow of water takes place all year round... It appears certain that man reached the Americas by sea at least forty thousand years ago..."
Does being controversial mean he's all wrong?
No, it doesn't.
Over many works, he does have his fans. For instance the New York Times magazine called his ideas revolutionary. The New York Daily News called him a historical detective. Like Jared Diamond, who is a professor in another field but writes his theories about man's evolution of culture and society such as "Guns, Germs, and Steel," or Elizabeth Caldwell Hirschman, another professor in a field outside genealogy, but who is combining genealogy and DNA studies of the Melungeons, which suggests that they were Sephardic Jews, there is room for alternative theories. There is room for those who are writing outside their specialty fields or who are simply smart and not educated formally. At one time the World was thought to be flat and anyone who thought otherwise was considered a heretic. (And I suspect that some day science will catch up with reincarnation theories too.)
JARED DIAMOND OFFICIAL SITE
Pages 185-186 - Overview: Gavin Menzies and Ian Hudson in a chapter on North Carolina and the Virginias, is about some of the same territory that Elizabeth Caldwell Hirschman's researching. He writes about a researcher named Jerry Warsing who is following a disease called Machado-Joseph as evidence of Chinese mariners in North America decades before Christopher Columbus. The Melungoens of West Virginia have a high incidence of this disease which is prevalent in Yunnan Province, China as well as in the Aborigines of Australia and in Yemen. The theory has been that the Portuguese spread this disease but Waring now believes it was the same huge Chinese fleets that Menzies wrote about in previous books who took the disease around the world.
He focused on the Native American tribe called the Mingo whose DNA has a high admixture of East Asian genes. The Mingos themselves said they were not Indian people but descendants of shipwrecked sailors.
Page 186 - Excerpt:
..."Further investigations led Warsing to the eventual conclusion that a fleet of some two hundred ships under the command of Zheng He had been wrecked in about 1432 on the coast between modern Southport, North Carolina, and the Norfolk, Virgina. Confronted with the marshy inhospitable coast, they marched inland up the Cape Fear and Roanoke rivers and settled in the western foothills of the Appalachian Mountains between Salem and Asheville, North Carolina. Some of them also settled in route in West Virginia, where they left a proliferation of stone buildings - Warhing believed that they also left a selection of Chinese plants, pallowwaddy and rice, along the way. He believes their survivors are among the tribes of the Ming Ho (Mingo), Wyo Ming, Lyco Ming, Shawnee (name corrupted from Oceanye Ho), and Melungeons."
WHO DISCOVERED AMERICA
The Untold History of the Peopling of the Americas
by Gavin Menzies and Ian Hudson
is published by William Morrow - An Imprint of HarperCollinsPublishers
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Gavin Menzies has written previous books, including the bestselling "1421 - How the Chinese discovered America." He's considered controversial because of his theories - which he has enhanced with world travel and meeting with experts in many fields - importantly finding pre 1492 maps. He currently bucks against academia and established theories of science. For instance he is opposed to the Bering Straight - land bridge theory of how Native American people crossed into the Americas and is in favor of sea travel. (Sea travel by the way figures in many tribal stories of how they got here. I recall in one of my anthropology classes the Native American students got angry with the professor and marched out!)
Reading his "Who Discovered America" closely, there are a few assertions that I disagree with, but since DNA science is an essential part of proofing his theories that people were either shipwrecked or traveled the natural currents of the oceans to travel around the continents, I'm intrigued and open minded.
Page 245 ..."The currents in the North Pacific flow in a great lip, carrying boats north from China, past Japan, then swinging east past the Aleutian and Kuril Islands to Alaska, then south along the American coast to Central America. So sea travelers from Asia to North and Central America have a free ride and food along the way and can sail so they are only out of sight of land for three days. This great clockwise, nearly rectangular, flow of water takes place all year round... It appears certain that man reached the Americas by sea at least forty thousand years ago..."
Does being controversial mean he's all wrong?
No, it doesn't.
Over many works, he does have his fans. For instance the New York Times magazine called his ideas revolutionary. The New York Daily News called him a historical detective. Like Jared Diamond, who is a professor in another field but writes his theories about man's evolution of culture and society such as "Guns, Germs, and Steel," or Elizabeth Caldwell Hirschman, another professor in a field outside genealogy, but who is combining genealogy and DNA studies of the Melungeons, which suggests that they were Sephardic Jews, there is room for alternative theories. There is room for those who are writing outside their specialty fields or who are simply smart and not educated formally. At one time the World was thought to be flat and anyone who thought otherwise was considered a heretic. (And I suspect that some day science will catch up with reincarnation theories too.)
JARED DIAMOND OFFICIAL SITE
Pages 185-186 - Overview: Gavin Menzies and Ian Hudson in a chapter on North Carolina and the Virginias, is about some of the same territory that Elizabeth Caldwell Hirschman's researching. He writes about a researcher named Jerry Warsing who is following a disease called Machado-Joseph as evidence of Chinese mariners in North America decades before Christopher Columbus. The Melungoens of West Virginia have a high incidence of this disease which is prevalent in Yunnan Province, China as well as in the Aborigines of Australia and in Yemen. The theory has been that the Portuguese spread this disease but Waring now believes it was the same huge Chinese fleets that Menzies wrote about in previous books who took the disease around the world.
He focused on the Native American tribe called the Mingo whose DNA has a high admixture of East Asian genes. The Mingos themselves said they were not Indian people but descendants of shipwrecked sailors.
Page 186 - Excerpt:
..."Further investigations led Warsing to the eventual conclusion that a fleet of some two hundred ships under the command of Zheng He had been wrecked in about 1432 on the coast between modern Southport, North Carolina, and the Norfolk, Virgina. Confronted with the marshy inhospitable coast, they marched inland up the Cape Fear and Roanoke rivers and settled in the western foothills of the Appalachian Mountains between Salem and Asheville, North Carolina. Some of them also settled in route in West Virginia, where they left a proliferation of stone buildings - Warhing believed that they also left a selection of Chinese plants, pallowwaddy and rice, along the way. He believes their survivors are among the tribes of the Ming Ho (Mingo), Wyo Ming, Lyco Ming, Shawnee (name corrupted from Oceanye Ho), and Melungeons."
WHO DISCOVERED AMERICA
The Untold History of the Peopling of the Americas
by Gavin Menzies and Ian Hudson
is published by William Morrow - An Imprint of HarperCollinsPublishers
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