Showing posts with label New York Ship Manifests. Show all posts
Showing posts with label New York Ship Manifests. Show all posts

11 December 2024

CASTLE GARDEN UPDATE : NATIONAL ARCHIVES CASTLE GARDEN COLLECTION BEING DIGITALIZED

NATIONAL PARK SERVICE : CASTLE GARDEN   This Castle Garden information page tells us what the new immigrant saw and went through as they arrived in New York Harbor before the Ellis Island facility was set up. Castle Garden opened in 1855 and was used until 1890 - or so.

In the past I had a link to a Castle Garden search page, which I've personally used for my own research. (Ancestors who came on first and second class tickets did not go through Ellis Island.) However, that page no longer exists and has been taken down from my sidebar.

The NATIONAL ARCHIVES OF THE UNITED STATES is planning digitalization of those records: NATIONAL ARCHIVES CASTLE GARDEN COLLECTION


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Publisher Charles Magnus

In the meantime, you can find records for all classes of passengers on ships coming into New York harbor on genealogy databases under topics such as New York Passenger Lists.


10 February 2021

STEAMSHIPS and LINES - WHO WAS THE CAPTAIN? #8

Since you'll want to include some rich details to your family immigration story and it's so easy to do now with databases and Internet sites offering pictures for personal use, you can include information about the ship and shipping line and the ports your ancestor encountered. Was the ship one of the largest? What was the décor like? You might find books published that feature photos of the interior. There's lots available about the various shipping lines, such as White Star.

Go to the beginning of the ship manifest for the voyage your ancestor was on and you'll see that it begins with the name of the captain and surgeon and crew. What nationality do their surnames suggest ?

Then first and second class passengers are listed. Do any of the passengers sound familiar to you? You might want to include details such as how many passengers were on the ship and how many were in steerage. 

I notice that the steerage passengers often seem to be listed by ethnicity or origin.

You want to go to the beginning of the manifest as well to get the port of departure and date it left. Did it stop in Southhampton, England? Did it sail the Mediterranean before heading across the Atlantic?

As a side note the Queen Mary is available for touring as it is an attraction in Long Beach, Los Angeles, California. I took the tour and the ship was emptied out to be a pitch black empty space below the waterline where the engines and cargo would have been. It was so much smaller than today's ships, which are like cities on the ocean. Scenes from the novel Marjorie Morningstar, by Herman Woulk, which came out in the 1950's, take place on the Queen Mary. It's one of my favorite books. I wanted to see the swimming pool, which was described in a scene in the book. It was a surprisingly small tiled square. I could imagine the water in it following the movement of the ship but not the scene depicted in the book of swimmers using the tiled space as a beach. More surprising to me seeing it, the Queen Mary was larger than the Titanic.

No, I didn't see any ghosts.

C 2021

Keep reading! This is part of a series!

03 January 2021

INTO THE FUTURE AND STEPPING INTO THE PAST

Hello to my ANCESTRY WORSHIP genealogy readers here in the U.S.  and Europe. I want to start the New Year, 2021, with a message of hope. I really do. Oh, I know, we have all been put to the test due to the restrictions of living in plague times. We are lonely, bored, cranky, crazy. Some of us are in grief and many are dealing with loss. We are having bad dreams when we sleep.

Humanity as a whole has been through plague before. I hope we can move on from this bad time. It does take cooperation and collaboration to survive.

I don't know about you, but genealogy practice and family history research has given me a greater understanding of human perseverence. And though not much changed on New Years day with Covid-19 - the vaccinations have begun but the statistics are frightening - it's still a symbolic new start. In this case, here at ANCESTRY WORSHIP - a genealogy blog - to use research to go back to the past and learn more about our ancestors and perhaps relearn to stand on their shoulders to make it through our days.

As a quick update first, for those if you following the Italian citizenship quest, no, the archive in Italy has not responded in any way to the letter and money sent there three months ago. Asked what to do, I said don't send more money but Italy us decimated so let's wait.

So, I'm going to start the new year by posting on ELLIS ISLAND and using ship manifests -passenger arrival records- to locate ancestors in the Old Country. 

Let's try to start anew.

Someone sent me this photo and I have no idea where it came from. Do you?


22 August 2018

SHIP MANIFESTS and THE ELUSIVE POOR ANCESTOR

There is so much romance attached to ancestors coming through Ellis Island in steerage, that you may be surprised to know that the 1st and 2nd class passengers could skip the whole Ellis Island scene and were left off first in New York.

It may surprise you to learn that your ancestor actually didn't make just one trip, but several back and forth before having taken care of all their business in the old country, such as selling property, settling old mom - too old to immigrate - with relatives. 

It may also surprise you to learn that there were other, busy ports, including Canadian ports, or that your ancestor may have taken a trip to Argentina first, checked it out, and then decided to come to the United States.  Your ancestor may have also come on a ship that wasn't one of the big-line steamships.  There were people coming in as crew.  There were still sail ships operating coming into smaller and unofficial ports.  You may have checked all the available databases out, straining through near unreadable handwriting, missing manifests, and so on; all you know is that they are suddenly on a census.

If you find their naturalization papers, you will probably learn that they declare the date they arrived and the name of the ship.  For some, obtaining evidence of this voyage, if they didn't still have a ticket /paperwork still on them, was a step towards naturalization.  Even if those ship manifests or passenger lists no longer exist they will name the date and ship and often place.

During the pre-aviation era, ships were the way to go.   The romance of immigrants coming in by ship sort of negates what else was going on.  Such as people who were traveling back and forth to Europe on business, such as spending sprees for fashionable clothing, banking and investments, and visiting relatives or taking long vacations for pleasure.  People walking across borders.  People who skipped Ellis and questions about disease and mental health.  If an immigrant wanted to bring a sibling along who probably wouldn't pass through Ellis, say because they were "slow," they might suggest the person was a shy twelve year old rather than a budding fifteen.

What reminded me of all this was a relations question about our great-grandmother.  By using oral history about the age of the first child, said to be in her mother's arms when they arrived to meet up with our great-grandfather, I had not found her on my first efforts with microfilms of ships coming into New York.  I assumed New York.  The assumption turned out to be right.  But I calculated after finding the first child's birth date on the Social Security Death Index to another date.  This time the first microfilm I rolled had them there.  Previously I had found great-grandfather's immigration.  Yes he was there before she was.  My relations questioned the parentage of this first child.  Without knowing if she was possibly born premature or late, and based on her strong resemblance to him, I had not doubt she was the child of our great-grandparents.  Yet, this made me go back into the ship manifests to check out other men with the same name.

As it turned out I was able to verify that indeed great-grandfather had made two trips.  On one ship manifest it says WHERE DID YOU LEAVE?  Since this village was near the larger town that both referred to as having come from, well....  on the first trip it says WHERE WERE YOU BORN?  In this case the man with the same name gives a different answer.  He refers to a larger region that contains the village that he left, and this lead me to realize that he was probably not BORN exactly where he left.  This actually has opened up the place I can look for records of his birth and possibly their marriage.

In any case, though two trips makes sense, I won't consider this proofed until I can prove that two men of the same age, name, and region, did not exist at the same time.

C 2018  Ancestry Worship Genealogy BlogSpot

11 September 2011

STATUE OF LIBERTY

Many of our ancestors came through ELLIS ISLAND or the Port of New York, though there were several other important seaports that immigrants sailed into. Today on the anniversary of the 9/11 Terrorist Attack, I think of this great symbol of the United States of America, a statue made in France and gifted to us by the French.

16 March 2011

MAJOR ERROR on ANCESTRY GENEALOGY DATBASES BEGS CORRECTION

I recently looked at 44 ship manifests which came up when I used a certain surname in the ANCESTRY genealogy database. I was watching to see if there was any pattern I could follow to put relatives together from the old country to the new.

I believe you must read the manifest yourself and not take the text version for granted because there have been all sorts of transcribing errors.
I REALIZED THAT THIS DATBASE has A MISLEADING ERROR BUILT IN on the FORM used for the TEXT VERSION of the New York ship manifests! When you read the text version you see the word BIRTH as if the immigrant was being asked in New York " Where Were you Born?" when the actual question asked on the manifests is not "Where were you born" but where was your last permanent address?

I wonder how many family historians have been mislead and repeated this error, or even gone on a useless quest because they assumed that the Ancestry database was right in reporting a location as a BIRTH location?

Simply, many immigrants did not leave HOME! Some did, and usually you will see that they are saying they left a parent or a husband or wife.

But sometimes they simply went to stay with a relative - a sibling or aunt or uncle - in another location. They gave up their own address (as we would do if say an apartment lease was up before we were ready to move to another city). There they stayed until maybe a baby was born or money promised from America came in and until it was time to get to the rail station and then the ship port. Some did not go directly onto a ship but stayed somewhere else, such as near the very port they planned to leave, for a time to earn money, or got off the ship in South Hampton and tried England for a while!

Please be very careful with this one! As you know the words "Permanent Address" are also not always taken seriously.

Q: What's a permanent address today?
A: Anywhere you stay when you are not traveling!